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solidworks >> OT: bob z. rant

by bob zee » Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:44:54 GMT

This is kinda long and maybe a little boring -
Bob Z. finds it immensely satisfying to be a part of the
comp.cad.solidworks newsgroup. Bob Z. hasn't been able to
participate as freely as he would like. It is not because he didn't
want to, he was just having some outside (outside of cyberspace)
pressures put upon him and it did not allow the positive juices to
flow. Bob Z. has been very negative and just realized that it is in
his best interest to let it out. Bob Z. wants to share some of these
things with you all. This story will be true and only the names will
be changed, you know, to protect the innocent and all that. By the
way, bob Z. hates the word 'cyberspace'.
As some of you may recall, Bob Z. has acquired a new engineering
manager. Bob Z. doesn't report directly to this person, he reports
to the team leader. Bob Z. likes his team leader. 'Team leader'
is a good person. Of course, the Team leader is a good person. Why,
you ask? Bob Z. trained him! We are the blue team. Bob Z. likes
blue. The New Engineering Manager (NEM), prior to this position, had
never been inside of a tool shop before. NEM didn't know what a
dowel pin was. NEM still believes that seven-hundred fifty-thousandths
does not equal three-fourths. Who says, "three-fourths"? NEM is
the epitome of middle-management. He knows more buzzwords and can talk
his way through anything better than anybody. ANYBODY. NEM went to
solidworks world 2006. NEM went to solidworks world 2005. NEM
doesn't use swx and doesn't bring anything back from these events.
NEM doesn't come to work on time. In four months of Bob Z. keeping
track, NEM had 3 instances of arriving at work on or before the start
time. Bob Z. can go on and on about this. Bob Z. knows that this is
not much of a big deal to get worked up about. There are tons of you
that deal with much worse. Bob Z. had to deal with much worse at his
previous job. Bob Z. is really pretty sensitive and usually takes
things way too personally. Bob Z. has been looking for a new job, but
hasn't been looking very hard. It seems like most of the prospects
involve some amount of drive time. Bob Z. is not quite ready for that.
There is home and family to think about.
NEM is not really very intelligent. Yes, he is a smooth talker, but it
is quite obvious he knows nothing about the job he has been hired to
do. What about the person that hired him? Good question. Very good
question. He-Who-Hired-NEM has been told many times by several people,
"the thing that NEM brings to this company is really nice hair."
NEM spends a lot of time getting his hair just right. Could this be
the cause for the tardiness? When you picture NEM in your mind, think
Carson Daley with a gut and really, really skinny arms.
He-Who-Hired-NEM could possibly be too proud to correct a mistake.
Correcting the mistake would be admitting there was an error.
Bob Z. ranted and got some things off of his chest. Bob Z. hopes you
read this and got some enjoyment. Bob Z. is hoping that you weren't
reminded of some terribly bad memories. If you were, Bob Z. is sorry.
If you would like, please share some anecdotes and maybe some ways to
handle managers like NEM. Bob Z. likes his job enough that he
doesn't want to be forced out because of someone with a serious IQ
deficit.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The Brain went to solidworks world 2006 with
NEM. The Brain found out that AMD processors are generally faster than
Intel. The Brain has taken up where Bob Z. left off - The Brain is
fighting the good fight. The Brain wants the IT genius to take a look
at some HP computers with Opterons inside. IT genius replied, "The
only way I'll replace the Dells with one of those is to replace all
of them at once."
Wow! That is some awesome logic! The Powers-To-Be will really go for
that!!! Of course, we all know that as soon as you buy a Mazak, you
have to replace all of your Moore's, Makino's, Kuraki's, etc.

Bob Z.
p.s. ...being followed by a moon shadow...

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solidworks >> OT: bob z. rant

by TOP » Thu, 02 Feb 2006 05:01:49 GMT


I wonder if I had anything to do with that?
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solidworks >> OT: bob z. rant

by joel » Thu, 02 Feb 2006 05:20:36 GMT

Sound's like Bob Zee has a severe case of "Can't pick on Jovie-itis".
As a former coworker of Bob Zee's, Jovie is very well aquainted with
NEM. NEM once asked Jovie if five thousandths was more than 1/16th of
an inch. NEM is the biggest moron on the face of the planet. I would
not let him run a McDonald's, let alone the engineering department of a
multi-million dollar company.

But in reality I believe Bob Zee is just depressed because he no longer
has Jovie to pick on. You see, one of the great joys Bob Zee had was
picking on Jovie day in and day out. This used to fill his days with
joy, and his evenings with anticipation for what the next days pickings
would be. Now poor Bob Zee only gets to listen to Dy-No-MITE!!'s phone
conversations from 70 feet away, and fight with IT genious. Not nearly
so satisfying.

So, cheer up Bob Zee, you can even throw an insult my way, Jovie can
take it!!!
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solidworks >> OT: bob z. rant

by mrcswp » Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:56:19 GMT

I feel for you Bob Z.

Also a former coworker of Bob Z.'s I got out of there after about a
year of having NEM as a boss. I too was a target for ol'Bob Z.'s
criticism, but it as all in fun. To be honest, I kinda miss it. See, I
was always seen as a "kid", which granted I was. When NEM had taken
over I had just started to feel like I was moving up in the ranks.
Passed the CSWP test at age 21on first try (thanx 3d :-) ), started
taking on some big designs to do, I was feelin good, like I belonged.
I had started working there while I was still in high school, so you
can see how I was always seen as kid. Then one day here comes this
Carson Daily look-a-like, our NEM and bam! I was at the bottom of the
todem pole once again. Not to worry, NEM just hasnt seen my potential
yet, I'll give him some time. Well, as time went on, meeting after
meeting, design review after design review, I always came out feeling
beat down, put down and humiliated (sometimes in front of customers)
all because I was seen in the NEM's eyes as a kid who knew nothing, I
mean after all NEM went to "real engineering school" had worked in the
industry before (uh yea right), so he knew everything. Nothing I came
up with was good enough, even though in the end things always came back
to the way I had designed, but who takes the credit.....NEM. For
example we were looking over a displacement plot from COSMOS in a
design review verifying the design of a weldment, when NEM spoke up
asking what 1.23 x 10^-4 meant, I mean if you all went to a "real
engineering school" wouldn't you know what 1.23 x 10^-4 meant? NEM had
no clue what that meant. Didnt understand how you got .000123 from 1.23
x 10^-4. You have got to be kidding me!

Anyways, I soon saw the light, found an opening, went for it. It was
going to be an AutoCad job, but I thought what the heck, go on the
first interview and check them out. I took some color plots of some of
the designs I had done. Not only did I sell them myself, I sold them
SolidWorks! They knew they wanted me and SolidWorks before they even
called me back for a second interview. They had already talked to the
local VAR about purchasing SolidWorks before I even started my
employment. By the way, I'm still waiting on some kind of gift from
that VAR, which was the same VAR as my previous employer.

I have on numerous occasions sent Bob Z. search results from various
job hunting websites, even gave him the number and name of the chick I
used as a head hunter. Don't let Bob fool ya, he can move, he can
drive. He is just spoiled by his 5 minute drive to work or maybe deep
down inside Bob likes NEM, or He-Who-Hired-NEM and Bob have something
going on???

I'll get flamed for this tomorrow from Bob, but oh well. I'm glad I'm
out of there, the only thing I regret about leaving is leaving behind
Bob, John Boy, Jovie and King Toney......oh yea...Roger too. ;)

mrcswp
a.k.a lil'beef

p.s. Bob - dont click over to another program too quickly Auggie Doggy
might think your surfin' the net again.
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solidworks >> OT: bob z. rant

by mrcswp » Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:58:28 GMT

I feel for you Bob Z.

Also a former coworker of Bob Z.'s I got out of there after about a
year of having NEM as a boss. I too was a target for ol'Bob Z.'s
criticism, but it as all in fun. To be honest, I kinda miss it. See, I
was always seen as a "kid", which granted I was. When NEM had taken
over I had just started to feel like I was moving up in the ranks.
Passed the CSWP test at age 21on first try (thanx 3d :-) ), started
taking on some big designs to do, I was feelin good, like I belonged.
I had started working there while I was still in high school, so you
can see how I was always seen as kid. Then one day here comes this
Carson Daily look-a-like, our NEM and bam! I was at the bottom of the
todem pole once again. Not to worry, NEM just hasnt seen my potential
yet, I'll give him some time. Well, as time went on, meeting after
meeting, design review after design review, I always came out feeling
beat down, put down and humiliated (sometimes in front of customers)
all because I was seen in the NEM's eyes as a kid who knew nothing, I
mean after all NEM went to "real engineering school" had worked in the
industry before (uh yea right), so he knew everything. Nothing I came
up with was good enough, even though in the end things always came back
to the way I had designed, but who takes the credit.....NEM. For
example we were looking over a displacement plot from COSMOS in a
design review verifying the design of a weldment, when NEM spoke up
asking what 1.23 x 10^-4 meant, I mean if you all went to a "real
engineering school" wouldn't you know what 1.23 x 10^-4 meant? NEM had
no clue what that meant. Didnt understand how you got .000123 from 1.23
x 10^-4. You have got to be kidding me!

Anyways, I soon saw the light, found an opening, went for it. It was
going to be an AutoCad job, but I thought what the heck, go on the
first interview and check them out. I took some color plots of some of
the designs I had done. Not only did I sell them myself, I sold them
SolidWorks! They knew they wanted me and SolidWorks before they even
called me back for a second interview. They had already talked to the
local VAR about purchasing SolidWorks before I even started my
employment. By the way, I'm still waiting on some kind of gift from
that VAR, which was the same VAR as my previous employer.

I have on numerous occasions sent Bob Z. search results from various
job hunting websites, even gave him the number and name of the chick I
used as a head hunter. Don't let Bob fool ya, he can move, he can
drive. He is just spoiled by his 5 minute drive to work or maybe deep
down inside Bob likes NEM, or He-Who-Hired-NEM and Bob have something
going on???

I'll get flamed for this tomorrow from Bob, but oh well. I'm glad I'm
out of there, the only thing I regret about leaving is leaving behind
Bob, John Boy, Jovie and King Toney......oh yea...Roger too. ;)

mrcswp
a.k.a lil'beef

p.s. Bob - dont click over to another program too quickly Auggie Doggy
might think your surfin' the net again.
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solidworks >> OT: bob z. rant

by CS » Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:30:10 GMT

I'm jealous I want to work with Bob Z.

Nice to see you posting again Bob
Corey
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solidworks >> OT: bob z. rant

by Bo » Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:26:32 GMT

Uhmmm. Brings back now fond memories BobZ.

Memories from back when I started, and the boss took 2-3 hour lunches
and couldn't see his belt buckle if he had to do so...or anything else
below his belt, for whatever reason one might 'need' to do so.

Lots of time spent kibutzing and chatting up the females in the plant
were his main assets (little chance of affairs, given the inadequate
length of the part below the belt buckle that certainly couldn't get
out far enough to be seen, let alone used), along with picking the
'scapegoat of the month'.

Like when they fired the QC inspector on a C5A qualification test (you
know the ones where 50,000 successful operations must be done). I hop
back in fresh from my first vacation in two years (3 weeks in Mexico),
and am asked to do the QC, since they "lost the QC guy last week".

I get into the testing and after 1500 cycles, a failure. So I note the
failure and tell everyone, they have to 'start over'. I get told by
the oversize EM, "We don't make jokes about starting over." I told him
I was given a job to tally success and failures and when we had a
failure, we started the testing over, so now we start it over".
Whereupon he fired me.

That was the BEST thing that ever happened. I learned not to trust
people who blather, and obviously don't take care of their own health
and don't mean what they say and drink waaaaay too much.

It eventually convinced me to start my own business/s which I've never
regretted...until recently and only slightly so, when a partner started
doing some of those things. Now, well, lets just say the tables have
been turned, and I hope he lands on his feet.
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solidworks >> OT: bob z. rant

by Paul Salvador » Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:43:41 GMT

NEM! I love it!!! 8^)

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1. bob z. rant 

Poor Bob Z.  Nothing ever seems to go "his" way!

But seriously, if traveling is out of the question as far as a new job is 
concerned, and nothing else is available locally, maybe it is time to 
seriously consider the prospect of shifting careers to get away from this 
situation.  Note, I didn't say change careers.

I can relate with what you say about your NEM.  I had one very similar at a 
previous place of employment.  Hired in because he married into the family. 
All he knew how to do was play golf.  Now, I've not got anything against 
golf.  But he had never been in a machine shop before.  Heck, it may have 
even been his first job for all I know.  He was only around 19-20 yrs 
old....  Needless to say, I didn't stick around much longer.  But luckily 
there are many opportunities in my area for moving sideways.

-- 
Seth Renigar
Emerald Tool and Mold Inc.
(Remove ".no.spam" from my address)
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"bob zee" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message 
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
> This is kinda long and maybe a little boring -
> Bob Z. finds it immensely satisfying to be a part of the
> comp.cad.solidworks newsgroup.  Bob Z. hasn't been able to
> participate as freely as he would like.  It is not because he didn't
> want to, he was just having some outside (outside of cyberspace)
> pressures put upon him and it did not allow the positive juices to
> flow.  Bob Z. has been very negative and just realized that it is in
> his best interest to let it out.  Bob Z. wants to share some of these
> things with you all.  This story will be true and only the names will
> be changed, you know, to protect the innocent and all that.  By the
> way, bob Z. hates the word 'cyberspace'.
> As some of you may recall, Bob Z. has acquired a new engineering
> manager.  Bob Z. doesn't report directly to this person, he reports
> to the team leader.  Bob Z. likes his team leader.  'Team leader'
> is a good person.  Of course, the Team leader is a good person.  Why,
> you ask?  Bob Z. trained him!  We are the blue team.  Bob Z. likes
> blue.  The New Engineering Manager (NEM), prior to this position, had
> never been inside of a tool shop before.  NEM didn't know what a
> dowel pin was.  NEM still believes that seven-hundred fifty-thousandths
> does not equal three-fourths.  Who says, "three-fourths"?  NEM is
> the epitome of middle-management.  He knows more buzzwords and can talk
> his way through anything better than anybody.  ANYBODY.  NEM went to
> solidworks world 2006.  NEM went to solidworks world 2005.  NEM
> doesn't use swx and doesn't bring anything back from these events.
> NEM doesn't come to work on time.  In four months of Bob Z. keeping
> track, NEM had 3 instances of arriving at work on or before the start
> time.  Bob Z. can go on and on about this.  Bob Z. knows that this is
> not much of a big deal to get worked up about.  There are tons of you
> that deal with much worse.  Bob Z. had to deal with much worse at his
> previous job.  Bob Z. is really pretty sensitive and usually takes
> things way too personally.  Bob Z. has been looking for a new job, but
> hasn't been looking very hard.  It seems like most of the prospects
> involve some amount of drive time.  Bob Z. is not quite ready for that.
> There is home and family to think about.
> NEM is not really very intelligent.  Yes, he is a smooth talker, but it
> is quite obvious he knows nothing about the job he has been hired to
> do.  What about the person that hired him?  Good question.  Very good
> question.  He-Who-Hired-NEM has been told many times by several people,
> "the thing that NEM brings to this company is really nice hair."
> NEM spends a lot of time getting his hair just right.  Could this be
> the cause for the tardiness?  When you picture NEM in your mind, think
> Carson Daley with a gut and really, really skinny arms.
> He-Who-Hired-NEM could possibly be too proud to correct a mistake.
> Correcting the mistake would be admitting there was an error.
> Bob Z. ranted and got some things off of his chest.  Bob Z. hopes you
> read this and got some enjoyment.  Bob Z. is hoping that you weren't
> reminded of some terribly bad memories.  If you were, Bob Z. is sorry.
> If you would like, please share some anecdotes and maybe some ways to
> handle managers like NEM.  Bob Z. likes his job enough that he
> doesn't want to be forced out because of someone with a serious IQ
> deficit.
>
> Oh yeah, one more thing.  The Brain went to solidworks world 2006 with
> NEM.  The Brain found out that AMD processors are generally faster than
> Intel.  The Brain has taken up where Bob Z. left off - The Brain is
> fighting the good fight.  The Brain wants the IT genius to take a look
> at some HP computers with Opterons inside.  IT genius replied, "The
> only way I'll replace the Dells with one of those is to replace all
> of them at once."
> Wow!  That is some awesome logic!  The Powers-To-Be will really go for
> that!!!  Of course, we all know that as soon as you buy a Mazak, you
> have to replace all of your Moore's, Makino's, Kuraki's, etc.
>
> Bob Z.
> p.s. ...being followed by a moon shadow...
>

2. OT: Picture of Bob Zee

3. OT Picture of Bob Zee

4. OT: ignorant rant

5. OT : 3D Content Central Rant (What were they thinking) 

Hello,

Rant on...........

Old Way: SW Website - allows you to download model - complete with
configurations and design tables.

New Way: 3DContent Central Website - you only can pick a single
configuration to download at a time.

Old Way: You can add model to Toolbox Browser (My Parts). One model --
many configurations.

New Way: 100 configurations means 100 separate part files.

Am I the only one who finds this annoying.........

SW was instrumental in popularizing the use of configurations and then
they go and eviserate (sp) this functionality in one of their own
products...

Would go a long way to explain why the site isn't as popular as it
could be.........

Len (big sigh) 

Rant (resignation) over.......

Solution: When user selects model format (SW Part/Assembly)-- in
addition to asking what version -- the user should be queried if they
want a single part configuration or all of them.

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7. OT: Fancy websites rant 

A website does need to look good, but simplicity should be the goal IMHO. A 
web site should NOT make sound unless explicitly asked to do so. 
Introductory videos and flash presentations might be nice for those 
browsing around and needing an introduction to a product, but when I know 
what I'm looking for, it's just annoying (unless it's very short). Web 
sites are for information, so take me to the useful data as directly as 
possible.

The Railguard site seems to strike a good balance, except for the siren. 
Relevant info is right near the top.

The worst are the sites that have nothing more than a brochure and contact 
info. Next site please.

8. Some solid edge reporting...and an OT economics rant