games >> ATI Catalyst control and you

by Stephen Sobchuk » Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:11:48 GMT

Here's something I've done which has helped me a lot in using games and
applications not quite designed for Vista. I am currently running Vista x64
on my home built Athlon 64 X2 desktop system and on my HP Pavilion ZD8080us
desktop replacement notebook. The desktop has two ATI X1600 Pro 256 PCI-E
in crossfire mode (though not enabled until ATI supports crossfire in Vista)
and my laptop has an ATI X600 Mobility 256 PCI-E. I found for my desktop
that disabling the A.I. resulted in less visual corruptions and errors in
Vista x64 and allowed more games to be played, same as on my notebook, but
it took a performance hit. Setting it to low helped out in Vista x86 being
able to run more 32-bit games. Still some visual corruption in menus such
as on NHL 2005, but after cycling or ALT-TAB'ing the menus appeared
correctly. This may also be in part to Internet Explorer 7 beta 2 since
most EA Sport games uses internet explorer to power their menus till running
the game. In the game, I found Vista x86 to run games like Madden 2006 even
better than in the previous Windows XP Media Center Edition it had on it.
Some games like Need For Speed: Most Wanted Black Edition it runs a tad
slower. I'm guessing due to the huge drop in memory available. Another
thing I do to help out is running ready boost to help out my laptop and it's
slow hard drive (4,200 rpm). And running Vista for a while before starting
a game. I find after 5 minutes my memory usage drops from 60% on initial
startup on my laptop down to 40%. On me desktop it starts out at 47% and
drops down to 34%. Laptop has 1gb and desktop has 2Gb of memory. I also
noticed Vista does not like over clocking of any sort. I don't condone over
clocking, I always suggest in putting in the extra money and getting a
better chip which I did when building this. I went from the 3800+ chip to
4200+. But my motherboard has AI N.O.S. and I had it set to 5% over clock
when heavy loads are detected but this resulted in blue screens and program
crashes, plus with no Cool 'N' Quiet support from AMD for Vista yet it's
running full bore all the time now, except when I dual boot into Windows XP
Pro x64, of course. Turning of AI N.O.S. helped Vista's stability a lot.
It is a beta so once performance improvements are made and real better
drivers are found I'm sure all our neat functions from ATI will be back.
Like I'm currently foircing a x64 driver for my onboard Realtek 882 sound to
work. It works, though just front, centre and subwoofer so far, no side or
rear yet. But I do have sound, and video and it's stable. It doesn't like
hybrid sleep or resuming from it and hibernation. I always have to reset
and clear the restoration data. Problems noted and reported. I hope
everyone is manually reporting feedback to Microsoft, too. I also hope to
their device and program manufactures also. I've contacted EA quite a few
times to hound them for Vista support on current games. I think they should
offer support for current games being sold. I mean do they expect that
we'll buy new games for Vista once Vista is out? Sure, maybe. But current
big games like Need For Speed: Most Wanted, Battlefield 2 and it's add-on's
and so on should have support if they expect them to be played online as a
legacy. I mean, I just put together an old computer I had from parts laying
around. An old Pentium MMX 200 for my dad and decided to have some fun and
see if it could play my old games like Unreal, NHL 99, Motocross Madness,
Command and Conquer: Tiberian Sun, Starcraft: Brood Wars and so on. And the
amazing thing I found out was that when I went to update CC: Tiberian Sun
online there were still people playing it online!!!! This was a game that
came out in 98 with Tiberian Sun being added later on. SO that means it
went through Windows 95 most likely, Windows 98, 98SE, Windows ME, Windows
2000, Windows XP and yes now Vista. I refuse to say games are limited to an
operating system; that's why I've stuck with computers for gaming and not
consoles. Because back in the day, a new console version meant you'd have
to get new games or wait for the games you love to be made for that system.
Ask any console owner if their games from SNES or N64 play into today's
console versions? Very rare if they do. I know 16-bit games are dead, but
we haven't crossed over from 32-bit to 64-bit fully so the 32-bit games we
love should be around from XP to Vista. That's just my reasoning. My other
gripe is also getting 64-bit support for current 32-bit games like NFS:MW
and BF2. Unreal Tournament 2005, Dreadnought, Half-Life 2 have gotten
64-bit support so why not? Using a dual-core 64-bit system has presented
some problems in playing games. Oh they run, but sometimes the timing is
off; it's either too slow or too fast. The emulator in XP Pro x64 and Vista
x64 does a pretty good job though for most games and applications and I
guess in a sense even in Vista x86 the games are in an emulator since 2D is
gone of the days of 80x86 processors. The future is bright, but it could be
brighter. So get on those feedback and e-mails and glad to see everyone
helping each other out here. I've found a lot of good ideas and suggestions
here in getting Vista going, and this WILL be our new gaming platform so
only by this will we form our future of gaming to a new level with a bit of
old-school fun. As they say in streets of Canada every winter after a
road-block...Game on!!


games >> ATI Catalyst control and you

by Andrew » Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:19:29 GMT


On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:11:48 -0600, "Stephen Sobchuk"


<unfeasibly long post snipped>

Does Vista not support paragraphs?
--
Andrew, contact via http://interpleb.googlepages.com
Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.

games >> ATI Catalyst control and you

by Daniel M » Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:03:21 GMT


I_think_it_does_with_an_update.Im_yet_to_install_the_spacebar_feature ;-)
Agreed, was hard to read as a solid block of text, but I got there in the
end! (insert wild cheering here)

games >> ATI Catalyst control and you

by Andrew » Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:03:14 GMT

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:03:21 +1000, "Daniel M"



Was it worth it? I didn't get past the first 2 lines.
--
Andrew, contact via http://interpleb.googlepages.com
Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.

Similar Threads

1. ATI Catalyst Control Center now not working - Windows Vista

2. System Restore Disk OS (C:) Error, Dell Dock missing, & ATI Catalyst Control Center

Hello, I'm new to the site so if this is in the wrong section, my
apology. I have three issues with my Dell Studio 1735 laptop. 



1. Whenever I turn it on (I have ATI Mobility Radeon HD  3650 card if
that helps) or try to run the ATI Catalyst Control Center,  I get the
following error message:


"Could not load file or assembly 'MOM.Implementation, Version= 
2.0.3182.4658, Culture= neutral, PublicKey Token=90ba9c70f846762e' or 
one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified."

I went to Dell Support and downloaded every download/driver update  for
my specific laptop, some worked, some were outdated, and others  would
not work. After going through this process I got the same error  message
with turning on the laptop or going into the ATI Catalyst  Control
Center. 



2. In addition to this continuing problem my Dell Dock  disappeared. I
tried to open it up, but it asks for the CD that came  with it and I
cannot find it. Someone had recommended I uninstall and  then reinstall
from online, but whenever I try to uninstall it won't let  me.


3. I tried to do a system restore, which is what revealed the third
problem. When I attempted to do a system restore I got the following
message:


"The disk OS (C:) has errors.
Windows has detected file system corruption on OS (C:). You must check
the disk for errors before it can be restored.
Check the disk for errors"


When I click the check the disk for errors, it says that I cannot do it
now, but can at next startup. When I do this it runs at startup and in
the bottom right a message pops up that says:


"sprtcmd.exe - Corrupt File
The file or directory C:\\PROGRA~1\Dell is corrupt and unreadable.
Please run the Chkdsk utility."




Any help  on any of these problems would be greatly appreciated. If
anyone needs more information please  let me know and I will do my best
to provide some. Thanks in advance!


-- 
bDawk20

3. error message from ATI catalyst control center

4. Problem with ATI Catalyst Control Center

5. ATI Catalyst Control Center stops working after SP3 installation. - Windows Update