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html >> Pull Down Menus in frame Problem

by hil400 » Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:48:22 GMT

First time trying pull down menus and having a problem.

I'm building a site for a public school......... and want pull down menus to
pull down under my top frame....... just a line with the links to pull down. I
can't find a way so far. What I did was to create a frame underneath the top
frame but it's not what I want as the frame my pull down menus reside in has to
be large enough to accomodate the space neeeded for the pull downs.... and it's
too big a space between that and the middle frame that everything opens into.

Here's the site, please give it a look and you'll see what I mean:
http://www.ps107.org
Any help appreciated....... very appreciated.
Thanks:confused;


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html >> Pull Down Menus in frame Problem

by Murray *TMM* » Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:34:25 GMT


There is no practical way to make a layer (that's how drop-down menus work)
cross the boundary between two separate frames (i.e., two unique HTML
pages).

It is true. Your choices are limited now -

1. DUMP THE FRAMES - you would not be having this problem in a non-framed
site.
2. Redesign your menus so that they do not need to span a frame boundary.
3. Redesign the frameset so that you leave enough room for the largest
popup.
4. Move the layer code for the popups from the page in the navigation frame
to each page in the content frame.
5. DUMP THE FRAMES - you would not be having this problem in a non-framed
site.

I recommend either #1 or #5, depending on what your needs are. You just
have no idea the horrors that await you if you continue with the frames.....
8)


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html >> Pull Down Menus in frame Problem

by seeger44 » Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:56:52 GMT

Just keep in mind that with Dreamweaver it is sometimes a problem to have pop
up lists unless you are using tables. You can design the page in layers, but
I've had to convert the layers to tables to get the pop ups in Javascript to
work properly. Just my 2 cents worth as I spent many hours trying to figure out
why my pop ups weren't working on layered pages. (This may have changed with
MX, I'm not sure.)


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Pull Down Menus in frame Problem

by Murray *TMM* » Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:14:12 GMT

> You can design the page in layers, but

Gah.

The only reason I can think of to do this would be if the menu layers were
sliding under the page layers, and that's just another of the many reasons
not to use these menus at all. It amazes me to see how much work people
will go to to stick with a ship than sank 3 years ago.

Get rid of these menus, period. Use simple HTML and CSS methods to create
these things. Anybody can do it.

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Pull Down Menus in frame Problem

by seeger44 » Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:44:55 GMT

Well, "Murray", designers tend to design in layers so we're used to laying
things out visually versus coding in html. I agree, though, that frames are
very outdated and just not worth the trouble. I don't use them. But, it's hard
to abandon using layered design techniques because of the freedom they allow.
It surprises me that you say anyone can do pop-ups because quite a few people
have been asking me how to create them with javascript....not as easy as tying
your shoes....and if you're new to it, it takes a bit of thought.


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Pull Down Menus in frame Problem

by Murray *TMM* » Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:58:01 GMT

> designers tend to design in layers so we're used to laying

Perhaps. But this doesn't translate well to the web sometimes.

There's designers and there's developers. If you want to be both, then you
have to have both hats.


Actually, I would take issue with that - but let's just say that one gains
that same freedom in different ways when creating web pages.


It's quite simple, really. If you want to do it from scratch, you don't
need to know a lick of javascript - just follow the tutorials here -

http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/snapmenus/index.htm

or

http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/auto_hide/index.htm

and here's an example you can analyze -

http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/autolayers/

Or, if you are willing to spend a few dollars, you can't get any better than
their PopMenuMagic extension -

http://www.projectseven.com/products/menusystems/pmm/

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Pull Down Menus in frame Problem

by smh4wd » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:20:50 GMT

Have been spending days trying to add a menu to my site that lives on the left
side, has sub menus that roll out, and shows up on everypage of the web site (a
catalog index, go here for widgets, here for thingies, etc). I have tried
frames, layers, etc. My biggest problem is I need to be able to update the menu
once and have it follow thru on every web page. Frontpage had something called
"shared borders" that does this, but Frontpage is so flakey I am trying to
learn Dreamweaver 8 and move everything over to it. Any
thoughts????Please?????Help?????Thanks!!!!!
Suzanne



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Pull Down Menus in frame Problem

by Murray *TMM* » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:33:44 GMT

1. Dump the frames.

2. Make an investment in your future - buy PopMenuMagic from the PVII
folks -

http://www.projectseven.com/products/menusystems/pmm/

You'll be glad you did.

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Pull Down Menus in frame Problem

by smh4wd » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:51:34 GMT

That would solve the menu "building" problem. What about positioning it into
Dreamweaver so that the info is "shared" throughout the web site. I could
template a page and use it everytime, but I don't want to have to go to each
and every page in my web everytime I want to update the menu. Short of putting
the menu in its own frame, does anyone know how to build it once?
Suzanne


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by Murray *TMM* » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:52:52 GMT

> but I don't want to have to go to each

This is what templates or server-side includes do for you. Make a change to
a single file and in the case of templates, every page in the current local
site is automatically changed, whereas with server-side includes, you would
upload that single changed file and the server automatically inserts it into
each referencing page.

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