Flight Simulation Games, Is Multi-Booting an Upgrade?

by **rob** » Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:44:12 GMT

"cybrwurm" wrote > +
> >>> Pat Macguire previously wrote: I am toying with the
> >>> idea of changing from Win 98se to Win XP.
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> >> On July31 rob replied: Why would you go to XP? More older
> >> games are going to work in 98 straight away than in XP.
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> cybrwurm interjects thusly: It's true that win98 has more
> games at the moment, but this will change over time to XP's
> favor; if only because it is the better OS (ie. a more stable
> platform for complex and twitchy programs; such as, 4X,
> combat-flight-sims).

Fair point, but this is a flightsim newsgroup and given the current drought
of new releases we simmers are still playing many games that in computer
years are ancient. Although some of these zimmerbound titles can run on XP,
some others cant, or require special attention. And given that the
flightsims currently in development will, we are told, work on Win98 I
cannot see any particular reason to increase Billys bank account further.

Rob

who except for OEM has never spent a cent on an OS

by **Gnasher** » Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:33:48 GMT

I use multi OS but using a mobile rack and not the dual boot method.
I'm using a non threading P4 cpu right now but I see a real snag in
the near future when I upgrade to a hyperthreading capable cpu. I read
that you have to turn off hyperthreading via the mb bios on Win9x.
That would mean I will have to enter the bios and disable
hyperthreading when using Win9x and enable it when using XP. I really
don't like that idea.

by **winsux** » Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:32:26 GMT

The box said, "Windows 98 / 2000 or better," so I installed Linux.

by **cybrwurm** » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:25:31 GMT

/ Topic > Re: Is Multi-Booting an Upgrade? #2 /
/ Newsgroups > comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim /
/ & microsoft.public.windowsxp.games / 12Aug2003 /
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cybrwurm say: Hi, Rob. I very much agree with this observation.
But simmers are not the only ones being unjustly neglected by
the whole (misdirected) gaming-world. 4X, I'm also a big fan of
pc-pinball, and I can't really find anything good along those
lines for my xtra-putrid machine. I've got 'Space Cadet' (3D
Pinball), and that's it! It runs fine, of course, but is also
(sadly) rather second-rate (ie. it's free).
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Best pc-pinball game I ever saw is called 'Creep Night' (by
Sierra), which runs fine under Win98. There's nothing of that
quality for the XP though. Zip. Zilch. Nada. In other words,
some people are getting a double dose of no-new-good-games!
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... hmmmm, this would appear to strengthen your idea
of hanging on to Win98 and NOT switching over to XP.
Now how on earth did that happen? :(
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Including the top two best combat-flight-sims ever: IL*2
Sturmovik - WWII Combat Simulator, and Combat Flight Simulator 2
- WWII Pacific Theater. Also, any new games coming out in the
future will surely preform better under XP than under Win98.
These are by no means "minor-details" for the virtual-pilot.
Indeed, if I had not known in advance that CFS2 would run better
under XP, I most likely would not have gathered it unto my ever-
growing mound of hardware/software. At least not just yet! :)
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Show me even one ww2-cfs that *doesn't* require special care
and attention and treatment ... They're all very sloppy in that
area. But it comes with the territory; complex and tempermental
programs are always difficult to grasp firmly by the root. They
tend to leak right through your fingers and make a mess on the
floor. And trying to stop those leaks with band-aid patches
doesn't really solve the main problem (faulty program design).
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I can see a very particular reason: it's simply a matter of
upgrading the eBeast. So I know someone who is perfectly content
with her 500Mgz/Celeron type system, and she has no wish to part
with it until perhaps the next century (& maybe not even then!);
*BUT* most sensible people will rightly show some concern and
appreciation for the "art of upgrading" (whether it is necessary
or otherwise). Now upgrading is NOT just a matter of hardware!
Just try installing Win98 on one of these new-fangled xp-mobo's.
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Only make sure you lock up your axe first! :)
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In short, a mainboard/CPU upgrade is only half-finished until
you complete the picture with a new and better operating system.
That's just the nature of this snarling eBeast that wishes to
enslave us all! A better hardware and software configuration
also means a better warplane for the VP to fly. After all, as
far as upgrading goes, it's not really a question of 'if'
anymore, but only of 'when'.
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- the semi-obsolete one - cybrwurm ;>
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by **rob** » Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:04:23 GMT

"cybrwurm" wrote

LOL, I think you are trying to convince the wrong guy, I have a 6 year old
cell phone

I dont know about you, but a serious consideration of mine when upgrading is
$$$
A phonecall to the local computer store has informed me that to buy XP will
cost me $480.

For that kind of money I can get myself a 2Ghz cpu or 512Mb Ram or a 9600pro
vid card and still have enough cash for a night at the pub.

Or I could save a little more and get myself a brand new 2Ghz computer (with
XP already installed) for $700. Although this would need a proper vid card
and more ram to be considered a games machine.

The point I am trying to make is that for the kind of money XP costs, there
could be better ways to boost performance. When I buy my next computer, I
am hoping to get another year at least out of my P4 1.8, it will have XP
preinstalled for (basically) free.

by **Gnasher** » Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:42:19 GMT

You can just get the upgrade version of XP. It only cost me $150.00
CAD.

by **cybrwurm** » Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:22:33 GMT

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/ Topic > Re: Is Multi-Booting an Upgrade? #3 /
/ Newsgroups > comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim /
/ & microsoft.public.windowsxp.games / 22Aug2003 /
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wurm: Roger that, rob. Harware upgrades ought almost always
to take priority over software upgrades (even OSz); but there
are occasional exceptions to this rule. For example, my new
micro-mainboard was made before xp came out, and so the
user's manual only mentions Win98. This little detail pretty
much commits me to installing the Win98 OS. But since I can't
return my xp-upgrade CD, I'll want to install that as well.
And since my new HDD is an almost respectable 40GB, I should
be able to install both operating systems on the same drive.
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You see how this works? These two major hardware upgrades
(ie. mobo and HDD) allows for (and maybe even demands) the
use of window's muti-booting feature. So I've decided to bite
the bullet and install both Win98 (first) and xtra-putrid.
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But first I have to reformat and repartition the HDD so I can
have FAT32 on C:, and NTFS on (eye assume) D:. This is the part
of the whole process that scares me most. If you don't prepare
the HDD *just so* you're in for a world of grief! . . .
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So I'm ALMOST ready to go. I got a new tower-case just this
week; the last piece of the poohter-puzzle. I then Installed the
processer (1.2MGz Duron), cpu-fan, and DDR-SDRAM onto the mother-
board, and then put the mobo into the new case. The whole process
was not especially difficult, and didn't take very long either.
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The worst part was clipping that swine cpu-fan onto the mobo.
How many mainboards have been lost due to injuries taken during
this clumsy installation, eh? TOO DAMN MANY, I'm sure! But I was
extra careful. I went easy on the silicon compound this time,
and a big honkin screwdriver made a huge difference. The right
tool for the job helps enormously! That and some leverage
allowed me to clip it on there PDQ, thus avoiding all unecessary
(and costly) damage.
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So now I have the case and mobo well-wedded together. But that's
only step-one in the creation of a brand new computer-system. Oy.
What's next? HELP! Somebody get this beer a guy! :D
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That's the way I went too. Still a major investment, to be sure,
but not nearly as painful as $450+ ... I can't recommend buying a
complete and ready-to-go system. The potential for getting short-
changed is rather high. You're much better off building one your-
self. If you can salvage much of the hardware from your current
system, you can save yourself a lot of bucks, and not get saddled
with a lot of stuff you don't really need anyway.
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- the one with three towers now - cybrwurm ;>
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P.S. SuperGeek. SuperGeek. He's just so geekay!
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