Flight Simulation Games >> IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by davidl » Sun, 06 Jul 2003 09:16:46 GMT

Hi all,

I have the Il2 original sim, and mostly like it; now I wonder whether is the
FB sequel worth attention? I've been reading that AI gunnery and spotting
capabilities are fairly inflated - I prefer flying offline, and so I wonder
whether the AI is really that bad? Also, are the graphics improved when
compared to the original game (just curious, since the Il2 visuals are
excellent)?

Finally, I checked the official site's forum, and it seems there is no patch
currently addressing this AI gunnery issue - should I just wait until the
game will get patch, and see if the AI has been fixed?

thx
dave




Flight Simulation Games >> IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by Silencio » Sun, 06 Jul 2003 09:29:57 GMT


Buy it if your serious about learning to fly properly - Crimson skies it
aint! Very steep learning curve, and very high system requirements, it
requires a great deal of ram.

s.





Flight Simulation Games >> IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by davidl » Sun, 06 Jul 2003 10:26:32 GMT





Thanks, Silencio..

well thats what I mean - I prefer highly detailed and accurate sims, with
good deal of realistic options.
I've been happy with Il2 - graphically pretty stunning too, I'm lucky to
have fast enough PC to handle it well.


dave




IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by Flyfish » Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:17:19 GMT

"davidl" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in



I recently bought FB. The AI gunnery accuracy is insane. The new planes
are cool, but the gunnery issue drove me back to the original. You
certainly do not want to attempt a head on attack in FB ever.

What annoys me the most about both games is Oleg's apparent belief that
you can tweak the crackling out of the sound code (mostly SBlive owners).
IL2/FB are the only apps that have this problem on my PC and it's very
annoying. I've tried every combination of windows and game settings and
the alternative dll (at mudmovers.com) with no luck.

Flyfish


IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by Silencio » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 00:23:56 GMT



Unfortunately my PC doesnt really cut it, i can only run the game with the
bare minimum of eye candy, with the result that ground objects are invisible
till i get really close. I decided to go back to Falcon4/SP3/FF.

Lots of ram, fast cpu and cutting edge graphics card are the bare minimum.
And to be honest, i think a HOTAS and rudder pedals would make it a lot
easier to learn to fly.

s.





IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by davidl » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 02:45:27 GMT






Hi Flyfish,

thanks for your response - this is exactly what I was asking about, and so
appreciate you to point it out (the AI gunnery problem as major existing
issue, as well as the persisting SB audio problem), I fly offline only, and
so this is what I'm affraid: that the accuracy of the AI gunners will kill
the fun. I'm using SB Live! 5.1, and noticed the crackling audio too - I
thought it was an issue of my setup...good to know.

I think that I will just wait to see what the upcoming patch will fix (or
not fix) - I'm not interested in new planes/maps etc, unless the more
important game bugs are corrected. The author(s) of IL-2 are very talented,
but I noticed that patching the existing problems is not on the top of their
priorities. The half-baked games, no matter how outstanding in one aspect,
are generally ending up on my shelf way too quickly.

Regards
Dave




IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by Flyfish » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 19:54:59 GMT

"davidl" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in



I wouldn't suggest either game is half baked. I've been flying offline as
I'm not ready for online yet, in the original I can't connect to any
games (grrr dialup) and I'm not feeling good enough at FB yet. The sound
issue is a pain, using the dll at mudmovers I've minimized the crackling
but have not made it go away.

Flyfish


IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by davidl » Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:35:39 GMT






No, neither I really insist that these games are bad - just could use some
extra patching...

regards
Dave




IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by Andre » Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:58:04 GMT





For what it's worth, exchanging my SBLive for an Audigy 2 cured the sound
Issues in IL2 for me and it does sound audibly better with music as well.




IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by Flyfish » Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:25:22 GMT






And for those of us who need a gameport and don't have ISA slots? I'm
unsure if my thrustmaster flcs/tqs with digital upgrade would work on one
of those funky looking USB game ports but I'm betting it wouldn't. I
suppose I could disable all but the gameport on the live and get an
audigy but I wouldn't want to spend the money without knowing that would
work without alot of fussing about with my system to make it go. Looking
over the current crop of sticks on the market I don't see any compelling
reason to upgrade from the FLCS/TQS/Elite setup I have since it works
pretty much flawlessly when I program it properly.

I suppose UBI could fix their crap sound code to work with the SBlive but
that appears to be too much to ask based on Oleg's comments about the
issue in his forum. I have a friend who disabled hardware accelleration
completely on his system and the crackles went away, but it cost him
noticable FPS ( on a p4 3.0G machine).

Flyfish


IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by Andre » Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:30:50 GMT






The card comes with a gameport connector on a seperate bracket. I don't use
it, since my Sidewinder FF2 is USB and I'm out of free slots anyway.



I got tired of the random crackles in various games. Whether UBI or
Creative or both are to blame in IL2 is debatable. You could also argue
that Creative's drivers are part of the problem. FS2002 would give me
scratchy sound with one particular version of the Live drivers.

My test for scratchy sound in IL2 was diving in the Stuka with the siren on.
With the Live I got an awful distorted sound no matter what I tried. The
Audigy fixed that, fixed the other games I was having problems with, and
sounds better while doing it.






IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by azzz1588 » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:26:32 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Flyfish
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:



Usually, disabling hardeware acceleration in IL 2, and FB
IMPROVES framerate in game !!!

Definately worth playing around with, setting it up
right got me a few extra fps.

(I have an SB Extigy external sound card, 5.1 speaker system)


















































Allan
http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html

"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."




IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by Flyfish » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 05:03:35 GMT




Ahh no kidding, I read all over Creative's site and never saw any
reference to a game port on any of the Audigy cards. This changes things.


Never had any problems with a live (this is my second PC with the live
installed) until I got IL2. It crackles on both win98 and XP Pro. Last
night I decided to put my friend's solution to the test and backed
hardware accelleration down to the first notch and the crackling is gone
in both IL2 and FB. Prior to this I got it with the Bf109 engine sounds,
particularly when flying in close formation to other Bf's. I do admit
that my crop of games doesn't grow very fast as I'm not into FPS, or
RPG's, mostly flight sims and the odd strategy game (Total A just rocked
until I got to where I could kick it all day long).

Guess I'll have to take another look at the Audigy if it actually has a
gameport.

Flyfish


IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by R Sparks » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:18:33 GMT

I have been using the TB Santa Cruz, with game port, for quite a while now
and I couldn't be happier. Sound is awesome. Positional audio is
fantastic. No pops, crackles, scratches, hiccups, or burps. I strongly
suggest checking it out even if it is a little on the dated side. New
drivers just released. And the card has none of the problems that come with
CL cards (used them for years 'till I got a TB Montego).
Silvertip




one
use





IL2 Forgotten Battles - worth to buy?

by Yoshi Yakura » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 03:26:51 GMT

On , "R Sparks" <acnv# XXXX@XXXXX.COM > quilled:


I had a TB Santa Cruz and it is not trouble free, as you suggest. Just
look up Balders' Gate and Santa Cruz (Sensaura) for an example. 3D
positional sounds in Operation Flashpoint were very innacurate (dog
barks that were supposed to be in the distance sounded louder than
anything else and like it was in a cavern). I had the first revision
of the card which had cross talk in the mic input (known issue but
they sold it anyway). Good sounding card, but not without it's own
problems. I have an Audigy2 now and it is a very nice card hampered by
a couple of small driver issues, but it does 3D audio better than any
card on the market.


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