Windows Small Business Server(SBS), terminal server

Can you setup a terminal server on a separate server with
SBS? My client wants to run terminal server on another
machine to allow access for staff from their satellite
offices. I've read that as long as it it not a domain
controller, it would be possible. Is it?

Yes.

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Is anyone running Terminal Server on SBS 2K3 Premium?

...or is anyone aware of performance issues using
Terminal Server in conjunction with SBS 2K3 Premium?

We have 5 local users and one remote user.

At worst 3 people accesing Terminal Server simultaneously
and that would only happen if 2 of the 5 local users are
working from on the road or home.

Thank you.

Hi Michelle,

Everybody runs TS on their SBS by default. TS is installed in remote
administration mode so that you can remotely manage the server.

Nobody runs TS in Apps mode on SBS2k3, as that isn't an option. TS in apps
mode runs beside SBS, i.e. a second server. It works really nicely. Here's
the doc to set it up:

Deploying Windows Server 2003 Terminal Server to Host User Desktops in a
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Environment
http://download.microsoft.com/download/7/5/2/75219da3-8c11-496c-978f-e6892762e874/ADS_TermServ.doc


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Can Terminal Server be activated on SBS 2003?

Hi S,

It's enabled and configured in Remote Administratrion mode by default. It
cannot be enabled or switched to Application Sharing mode on SBS2k3, you
need a separate (member) server for that.

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Les Connor [SBS MVP]
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Why?

This is a real problem for us, our Client requires this
functionality but cannot justify the cost of an
additional server, licences etc etc. Moreover this is not
mentioned anywhere that I can see in the product
documentation, my client is seriously unhappy that they
have upgraded to a newer, better platform and lost
functionality.

Is this likely to be fixed or do we just have to live
with it?

Regards,
Matt
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Hi Matt,

No, I don't think this is going to change. It's not a hidden fact, it's
stated various places, but it is easy to overlook apparently because you are
not the first to have missed it.

Live with it is a good start, but you may be able to do better. See if the
RWW connect to desktop feature can help you out. If you can provide a few
details (number of connections - remote or local, etc.) then perhaps we can
offer some help.

You do get some licensing breaks with a second server, i.e. the SBS cals
cover the second server. The big obstacle right now for most small biz's
faced with this is the cost of the ts cals. We are hoping to get some
concessions from MS in this area.

Like I mentioned, if you can provide a few details of how ts was utilized in
the sbs2k, we can look at what options sbs2k3 may provide.

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Les Connor [SBS MVP]
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SBS Rocks !

can't remember who stated this first - but I like to call it the "Make up
your mind" Law

"There is an inverse relationship between productivity and security."

Everyone knows that MS has been blasted for years about their lack of
security. True story: there's a guy who came to MS in the mid-to-late
90's. MS called him up one day and offered him a job out of the blue. He
asked what they wanted him to do, and they replied that they wanted him as a
security expert. The thought of 'security expert' and 'Microsoft' being
used in the same job description was amusing enough he had to put them on
hold until he stopped laughing . . .

Fast forward several years and we're in a completely different world.
Security is a big deal - more so than even 5 years ago, and more and more
people are becoming familiar with general security guidelines. Hell - my
grandparents not only know what a firewall is, they know what traffic their
firewall is allowing and why . . . WE demanded increased security. WE
demanded a reduction in the need for security patches. WE told MS they had
to 'get' security right the first time - not three service packs later.

"There is an inverse relationship between productivity and security."

Therefore, an increase in security corresponds to a decrease in
productivity. Running TS Apps mode on a DC represents a security threat -
so while removing TS Apps mode from SBS is a loss of functionality, it is a
gain in security. Consider this an example of 'Trustworthy Computing' at
work . . .

Having said that, we realize that there needs to be a better solution to
deploy a TS in an SBS2k3 domain. It's very hard to tell a customer that
you're going to spend x dollars on software and licenses for your Windows,
Exchange, Sharepoint, RWW, etc. Oh, you want a TS? Ok, that alone will
cost you twice as much as SBS + CALs . . . Unfortunately, all we can say is
that this issue has been made clear to MS. We want security - so we don't
want TS Apps mode support in SBS. What we do want is a better option to
deploy a TS in an SBS domain that is better in line with SBS pricing. I'd
love to see a Win2k3 TS for SBS that is limited to 75 users, doesn't require
TS CALs (SBS CALs should cover this), cannot be promoted to a DC and retails
for under $500 . . . But then again, I'd love to see me win the lottery,
too . . . :^)

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Chad A. Gross - SBS MVP
SBS ROCKS!

www.msmvps.com/cgross
www.gosbs.org


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think there doesn't have to be this inverse relationship.

Initially that may seem to be the case, but I think rather it's a case of
their being a temporary loss of productivity simply as a result of change.
i.e. you have to learn how to do it a different way, therefore a learning
curve prior to restoring (and, hopefully enhancing) productivity.

The idea is that there is a good chance that the absense of security will
cause a loss of productivity, therfore enhanced security will result in
enhanced productivity ;-). i.e. my server was hacked. It cost me x$ and
xTime to get it back on line. That was lost productivity.

What is true, is that there is an up-front cost to enhanced security. In the
case of SBS2k3 and TS Apps mode, the up-front cost is disproprtionate to the
cost of SBS2k3.

TS Apps mode running on a member server in an SBS environment can
significantly enhance both security and productivity on several levels.

This is where Chad's "I'd love to see" come in ;-).

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Les Connor [SBS MVP]
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Question: I am using terminal server to connect and can
see the printer from the local connection, however when we
go to print we get an error message that there is no
communication with the printer. Does anyone know anything
about this.

Are you trying to use this as a TS Application server or is this just for
remote management? If no one else is connected you have a couple of sessions
that are hung open and need to open TS Manager and log off those sessions
that are disconnected. But if you are wanting to connect more than 2 users
that is not possible for TS Server on the SBS 2003 Server the Termianl
Services on the Server is for Remote Admin only and you would need a
seperate TS Server for that.

Roger Crawford
HTS

I have the following message when i try to log in:

THE TERMINAL SERVER HAS EXCEEDED THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF
ALLOWED CONNECTION.

Is it possible to change this ?

Best regards

Paal Schroder